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Info-Atari16 Digest         Thu, 30 Jan 92       Volume 92 : Issue  55

Today's Topics:
                    Ack!  My STe is dying! (dead?)
                        Amiga geeks, read this
                           Anonymous FTP..
                       Anti-flamewar proposal.
                           Atari sys 4 sale
                             Darn brevity
                             FASTVMS.EXE
                          New Supra Modem...
                             PC(AT)_SPEED
regarding the 'correct' post [was (re: Amiga geeks, read this) (2 msgs)
                            Russian fonts
                 Software fuer Atari ST MINIX 1.5 ???
                           STOS 3D (2 msgs)
             TOS chipsets (was Re: What to do?) (3 msgs)
                             What to do?
                        Zoo problems continue

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Date: 30 Jan 92 04:01:58 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!network.ucsd.edu!sdcc12!sdcc13!atilg
 [e-mail] (Adam Tilghman)
Subject: Ack!  My STe is dying! (dead?)
To: [e-mail]

Ack!  I'm having serious problems with my STe system.  If anybody
could offer some wisdom, I would appreciate it!

Symptoms:

                (The first problem I caught) - MINT.CNF suddenly appeared
                        with random data scattered throughout the "normal" text.

                The Desktop is now mistaking executables for Text files,
                        and is asking me if I want to view them.  This
                        is happening perhaps 10% of the time, and I have
                        NEVER had this problem (in 6 months of intense use).

                MiNT 0.92 is hanging much more often than usual - basically,
                        anything involving a large file operation, like
                        running GCC.

                On most large hard drive read operations my screen is
                        overwritten with data :-(

                Odd crashes every so often (usually non-repeatable).

                On reset, the screen doesn't clear - so if I reboot from
                        the desktop, my hard drive boot is overlaid on the
                        old Desktop image.


My Hardware:

        Atari 520STe (w/ TOS 1.62, bought in August 1991) - 4MB of RAM
        ICD Host Adapter (original model) + Seagate ST1096N drive
        DEKA PC Keyboard Adapter (w/ keyboard)
        SM124 Mono Monitor

        Does anybody recognize these problems?  I think they're serious
and there's NO WAY that Atari's going to take back my computer under
warranty :-(... Eek!

  -- adam
--
==== Adam G. Tilghman - [e-mail] - [phone] ====
==  "Martha, fetch my rifle - thar's another UCSD ECE undergrad!"  ==

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Date: 30 Jan 92 03:15:11 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!network.ucsd.edu!swrinde!@arizona.ed
 u (William Thomas Daugustine)
Subject: Amiga geeks, read this
To: [e-mail]

Wrong. The posting I made was not saying that only Atari users should
read this newsgroup. The point is if you dont have anything productive
to say, dont say it. Dont go bashing Atari for no reason. I said
before, and again, I like to read comparisions about different machines,
but youve got to support your claims with evidence, not, my computer
is better than yours.

All I am saying is that the people who own Ataris own them of their
own free will. A while back, someone posted an Atari ST for sale, and
this Miller guy posted that it was a joke. Perhaps he didnt think that
the seller was upgrading to a new ST?

And I dont really care that there are other, better, etc, machines
than what I own. Perhaps you should think twice before thinking that
is true. I own approx 20 different computers of different architecures,
and I would not rate any one of them as better or worse than any
other of them. I call myself a collector, I collect computers.
Currently of interest is my VAX 11/730, a MicroPDP-11, and an
AT&T UnixPC (aka 3b1).

Shall I compare? Its impossible. The VAX has a great user interface,
if you like CLIs. Its also multitasking, regardless to personal
opinion. The PDP-11, well, thats mostly a curio (sp?), considering
that its the oldest computer architecture that is still supported, etc,
today. The first PDP-11 (11/20) was produced in 1970, and in 1992, the
latest model that I know of is the 11/83 & 11/84. 20+ years is a helluva
shelf live... IBM mainframes can kinda claim that, but theyve
dont other stuff... I digress.

And perhaps it occured to you, or not, that I once did own an Amiga,
but no longer. If you know my name and postings, youll know that the
reason I dont own one is the users attitude turn me off. Atarians
know what they have, and like it.

(BTW: my next addition to my collection will hopefully be either
a Sun 3/60, and a MicroVAX 2000. The MicroVAX uses less power than
my 730, and I can fit it on my desk :-)

Apples to oranges...

Billy D'Augustine
[e-mail]

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Date: 30 Jan 92 12:11:37 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas
 .edu!@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: Anonymous FTP..
To: [e-mail]

Is there a list of Anonymous FTP, Atari support sites that some
one could send to me, or direct me to were I could find such a list..

Thanks..!


--
***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      [e-mail]  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***

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Date: 30 Jan 92 05:49:39 GMT
From: agate!apple!equinox!pyramid.cs.unr.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Anti-flamewar proposal.
To: [e-mail]

Well here's my 2 cents worth of qualms about my Atari...

        a.  When I first got my 1040STf in 1986, it came with TOS 1.0.
            The 1040STf had the same version until June 1991 when I opted
            for a MegaSTE4.  The original TOS was limited (user-wise) and
            a little buggy.
        b.  Hated (when I never knew about RAMdisks plus when I couldn't
            afford a hard drive AND when I only had one drive) copying
            files (4 disk swaps for 1 file (2 verification, read, write).
        c.  Hated (and still hate) the mushy keyboard.  Developed painful
            wrists.  (LOVE my MSTE's keyboard).
        d.  Hated the internal drive noise especially when the plastic
            casing is cold and it's touching the drive mechanism itself.
            The noise dropped as the computer warmed up (since plastic
            expands when the power supply is on for awhile).

        I guess that's all I can think of right now...

     __________                   _______
    / ________()  Kaho Chan(man) /      /
   / / L_____    University of  /*     /
  / /_/_____()  Nevada, Reno    \     /
 /_________    Internet:         \   /
 L________()  [e-mail]     \/~

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Date: 29 Jan 92 21:04:13 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!spd
 cc!dirtydog.ima.isc.com!ispd-newsserver!laidbak![e-mail] (Eric
 Thiele)
Subject: Atari sys 4 sale
To: [e-mail]

Posted for a friend who doesn't have net access - please phone him

        Atari Mega 4 ST/mouse/pad               $750
        Megafile 30MB hard drive                 250
        SM124 HiRes Mono Monitor                 100
        SLM804 Laser Printer                     650
           (includes Brand New Drum)

        Software
                Pagestream 1.8                  $ 50
                1st Word Plus                     25
                Turbo ST accelerator              15
                Diamondback II                    25
                Cardfile 3                        25
                Universal Item Selector           25
                Thunder spell checker             25
                DEGAS paint program               10
                Touch Up graphics program         25
                Scan Art clip art program         25
                Data Manager ST                   25

** OR **

Buy everything for a package price of $1200, and he'll toss in
all his 3.5" floppies (about 50 of 'em)

        Call Darryl Hedges [phone]

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Date: 29 Jan 92 21:06:45 GMT
From: gossip.pyramid.com!pyramid!voder!nsc!amdahl!JUTS!duts![e-mail]
 (Kent L Shephard)
Subject: Darn brevity
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
 (Ray) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
 (Carter Gregory) writes:
>>You have to be joking guy, don't even try to compare AMIGA DOS with ANY
>>version of UNIX, especially the Mach version on the NeXT.
>>
>>Its not even in the same league.
>
>  Dream on, you don't know what you're talking about. If AmigaDOS (
>actually exec.library) had memory protection and virtual memory, it
>would virtually be unix. Exec, like Mach, is not Unix, they are merely
>microkernels with other OSs put on top, (in the Amiga's case,
>dos and intuition, in the NeXT's case, BSD and NeXTStep).
>If they are not in the same league, how come I can compile most
>Unix source's without changing anything? How a number of Exec and
>Dos functions have the same name as Unix counter parts?
>Exec is even object oriented!
>

I can compile most UNIX stuff on my PC with my Borland compiler w/out much
in the way of code changes.

>>AMIGA DOS is incredibly primitive compared to Mach.  Let me See the AMIGA
>
>  Well it lacks memory protection and virtual memory, but besides that,
>Mach doesn't have that much on it. Exec has the fastest context switch time
>of any multitasking OS, and its the reason why we don't have virtual

Have you ever heard of threads.  I can do things on my NeXT that will make
anything not running a Mach kernal just choke.


--
/*  -The opinions expressed are my own, not my employers.    */
/*      For I can only express my own opinions.              */
/*                                                           */
/*   Kent L. Shephard  : email - [e-mail]   */

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1992 09:01 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: FASTVMS.EXE
To: [e-mail]

Hello world--

        Does anyone have experience using FASTVMS.EXE, the "fast ST <> VAX
transfer program" available at atari@terminator? It only unpacks to a VAX
executable, which I've got installed on the VAX and seems to be in working
order; but what am I supposed to be running at my end in order to
communicate with it?

        Any and all hints much appreciated...

        Michael Johnston

        [e-mail]

"I have seen the future, and it is very much like the present, only longer."
        --Dan Quisenberry

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Date: 27 Jan 92 18:57:00 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!dsinc!net
 news.upenn.edu!msuinfo!sharkey!wybbs!therip![e-mail] (Rod Fulk)
Subject: New Supra Modem...
To: [e-mail]

I had a problem connecting to a Telibit modem with my HST and the solution there
 was to put a couple commas after the number to allow the modem to not see any
 of the tones placed by the telibit until it would see the part of the tone that
 it would like...
I now have a 100% hit ratio on the modem... Before I only connected once out of
 every 8 times.


 * Origin: The R.I.P.  [phone]   [HST] (1:228/24)

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Date: 30 Jan 92 05:09:29 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!unogate!mvb.saic.com!network.ucsd.ed
 u!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!tamuts![e-mail] (MarkLehmann)
Subject: PC(AT)_SPEED
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>
 [e-mail] (Alex Poelman) writes:
>Can anyone tell me how 'fast' PC_speed or
>AT_speed are compared to PC Ditto?             <|

PCTools rates PC_DITTO I at 15% of the speed of an original PC.
PCTools rates PC_SPEED at 220% of the speed of an original PC.
PCTools rate a 80286 NEC computer at 295% of the speed of an original PC.

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Date: 29 Jan 92 15:08:25 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!lapis.labmed.umn
 .edu![e-mail]
Subject: regarding the 'correct' post [was (re: Amiga geeks, read this)
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
 (Carter Gregory) writes:
> Any inherent restriction, placed on a group on the rn reader on the internet
> is extremely DANGEROUS in my view.  That includes any restrictions based on
> content.
>
> You post where you want, how much you want, and when you want, AND EVERYONE
> should recieve a copy of WHAT YOU WANT TO POST.

Of course, there are guidelines and 'establishing principles' that should
probably be observed.  For instance, comp.sys.atari.st is oriented toward Atari
ST computers, not Amigas or NeXT or Macintosh computers.  One would expect
information in the newsgroup to relate to the Atari ST.

By Mr. Carter's logic, one should feel free to post about abortion in
comp.sys.amiga.advocacy (for example) with relative impunity.  After all, 'you
post where you want'....

For those who don't see (or don't want to see) that there are certain
principles which, when followed, enhance the learning and enjoyment one may
obtain through reading a newsgroup, I would point them to the articles posted
every month in news.announce.newusers.  There are articles on 'netiquette' and
'posting rules' which it would seem Mr. Carter omitted from his reading
schedule ...

--

David Paschall-Zimbel           [e-mail]

"The most important fact about Spaceship Earth: An instruction book didn't come
with it." -- R. Buckminster Fuller

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Date: 30 Jan 92 03:17:12 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!doug.cae.wis
 c.edu![e-mail] (Carter Gregory)
Subject: regarding the 'correct' post [was (re: Amiga geeks, read this)
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>
 [e-mail] writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
 (Carter Gregory) writes:
>> Any inherent restriction, placed on a group on the rn reader on the internet
>> is extremely DANGEROUS in my view.  That includes any restrictions based on
>> content.
>>
>> You post where you want, how much you want, and when you want, AND EVERYONE
>> should recieve a copy of WHAT YOU WANT TO POST.
>
>Of course, there are guidelines and 'establishing principles' that should
>probably be observed.  For instance, comp.sys.atari.st is oriented toward Atari
>ST computers, not Amigas or NeXT or Macintosh computers.  One would expect
>information in the newsgroup to relate to the Atari ST.

Yes ONE WOULD expect to find information about ST's in atari..rn.  But in
no way MUST it be that way.

>
>By Mr. Carter's logic, one should feel free to post about abortion in
>comp.sys.amiga.advocacy (for example) with relative impunity.  After all, 'you
>post where you want'....

Yeah!  MR.CARTER.  I LIKE that.  And yes, if you want to post about abortion in
comp.sys.atari.st, feel free to do so.

Although, I wouldn't.

>
>For those who don't see (or don't want to see) that there are certain
>principles which, when followed, enhance the learning and enjoyment one may
>obtain through reading a newsgroup, I would point them to the articles posted

Yes, I have principles which I follow, based on a philosophy that observes
that information is light, and the mind is the lens.  Focus on what you
will...too, many times in histories past has information been focused for
people deemed too idiotic to find or interpret their own views from what
they read.

The reason why everything is arranged the way it is, is because rn hasn't
caught up with the times.  In fact, rn is incredibly crude.  There are much
better ways to arrange all of this information.

And, what makes you think this particular arrangement fosters learning?
RN is probably the most confusing program on the net.  Its horrible
to work with.  Although, I am working on that, through PC technology.  :)

>every month in news.announce.newusers.  There are articles on 'netiquette' and
>'posting rules' which it would seem Mr. Carter omitted from his reading
>schedule ...

What makes a good netter to you, might not be great for others.  This is all
based on the expression of the human condition in dealing with technology.
The wide differences in technology backgrounds each one of us shares gives
very different viewpoints on what to express, or to emphasize what is most
important to us.

You simply don't have a right to deny a persons experiences just because
they aren't excatly the same as yours when dealing with this technology.

So post what you want people.  And lets continue the discussion!

>
>--
>
>David Paschall-Zimbel          [e-mail]
>
>"The most important fact about Spaceship Earth: An instruction book didn't come
>with it." -- R. Buckminster Fuller

-Greg

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Date: 29 Jan 92 20:22:39 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!news.dell.com!natinst.com![e-mail]
 u (Glen Sescila)
Subject: Russian fonts
To: [e-mail]

Hi! I'm looking for a Russian font for the ST or even a Russianized
ST. Also, is there a program that will convert a Mac (cyrillic)
font to GDOS?

Keith Winkeler
[e-mail]

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Date: 30 Jan 92 07:22:44 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!m
 ath.fu-berlin.de!uniol!unido!materna![e-mail] (Jorge Aragon)
Subject: Software fuer Atari ST MINIX 1.5 ???
To: [e-mail]

Hallo Leute,

ich habe Atari Minix 1.5 und suche nunmehr verzweiflt Software dazu.
Unter anderem GNU C (und wenn moeglich C++) Compiler, LaTeX, Metafont
und so weiter....

Wer weiss wo es sowas unter anonymous ftp zu besorgen gibt, bzw.
wo man evtl. so etwas fuer wenig Geld bekommt ???

Bitte mail an mich oder in diese Gruppe posten...

Bye, Jorge


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Date: 30 Jan 92 10:20:23 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!hela.iti.org!widener!ukma!wupost
 !waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix![e-mail] (Roger
 Sheppard)
Subject: STOS 3D
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bruce Lamond) writes:
> Does anyone know if Mandarin have released, or are going to release,
> STOS 3D?  I have been eagerly awaiting it since I got STOS a couple of
> years ago, and plans for it were mentioned then.  I have recently seen
> AMOS 3D in the shops, so I thought it might be on the way.
>
> Thanks

From what I have read, I don't think so, the Author has gone over to
the Amiga..
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      [e-mail]  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***

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Date: 29 Jan 92 20:03:58 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!edcastle![e-mail] (Bruce Lamond)
Subject: STOS 3D
To: [e-mail]

Does anyone know if Mandarin have released, or are going to release,
STOS 3D?  I have been eagerly awaiting it since I got STOS a couple of
years ago, and plans for it were mentioned then.  I have recently seen
AMOS 3D in the shops, so I thought it might be on the way.

Thanks

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Date: 29 Jan 92 17:13:18 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!nstar!syscon!mik
 [e-mail] (Mike DeMetz)
Subject: TOS chipsets (was Re: What to do?)
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Marc Bouron) writes:


>I am a little confused by the recommendation to get TOS 2.06 instead of 1.4
>for an `ordinary' ST.  Please unconfuse me.  I thought the 2.xx chips couldn't
>simply be plugged in to a pre-STe machine?  If it turns out that you can, then
>that's great.  Or is this just a veiled reference to the TEC mod?  Also, since
>finding new ROMs in the UK is pretty tough going, would there be any problems
>expected if I were to get a set from the US?

You would require the board which involves pulling the CPU.

The US set would not reconize any special UK keys you might have.Some
UK only software may not work correctly(if there is such a thing).

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Date: 29 Jan 92 20:37:04 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!constellation!
 uokmax!a.cs.okstate.edu![e-mail] (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI)
Subject: TOS chipsets (was Re: What to do?)
To: [e-mail]

I have 2 machines which came w the 6 chip set, and one that came with the 2
chip set.

I put the 2 chip set into all 3 machines.  All I had to do was move a resistor
and place a jumper between 2 pads. (And plug in the 2 chip set...)

Works GREAT!
jc

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Date: 30 Jan 92 02:04:29 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!act
 rix![e-mail] (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: TOS chipsets (was Re: What to do?)
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Marc
 Bouron) writes:
>
> I am a little confused by the recommendation to get TOS 2.06 instead of 1.4
> for an `ordinary' ST.  Please unconfuse me.  I thought the 2.xx chips couldn't
> simply be plugged in to a pre-STe machine?  If it turns out that you can, then
> that's great.  Or is this just a veiled reference to the TEC mod?  Also, since
> finding new ROMs in the UK is pretty tough going, would there be any problems
> expected if I were to get a set from the US?

> [M][a][r][c]                                 ===== Cray Research (UK) Ltd.
 =====
>                                              INTERNET: [e-mail]
>     "If all the girls in Essex were laid     JANET:    [e-mail]
>      end-to-end, no-one would be in the      UUCP:
 ...!uknet!crayuk!M.Bouron
>      slightest bit surprised..."             VOICE:    [phone] x2208

As Atari has decided to do another change, the Roms will be TOS 2.07, may
be next Xmas when they will be available, but then it could be TOS 12345..

No you can't get UK Roms in the USA, why not give Atari UK, a ring
some time next year..:-)..
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      [e-mail]  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***

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Date: 29 Jan 92 21:38:43 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!constellation!
 uokmax!a.cs.okstate.edu![e-mail] (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI)
Subject: What to do?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert Jeffrey Pinelli) writes:
>  That would mean that each socket
>must be addressed as if it were actually 3.  Toad was quite adamant in
>its advertisements about making sure which set you needed (which is
>why I went through the ordeal of opening up my Mega to check!)
>
>--Rob

Just move a resistor, install a jumper... and it works.
Really!!!  I've installed 2 chip tos on 2 of my old 6 chip Megas....

jc

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Date: 30 Jan 92 04:30:41 GMT
From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax![e-mail]
Subject: Zoo problems continue
To: [e-mail]

I have this annoying problem with zoo.  I have an old TOS (probably 1.0) and
therefore cannot use Zoo without a shell.  Someone was kind enough to mail
me a shell and zoo still does not work.  I think that my Tos is simply too
old but I'm not sure.  I also tried downloading that "starter.tos" program
from an archive but it also does absolutely nothing.

Does anyone know why zoo will not work even with a shell?
I suspect the Tos, but can't substantiate it.

I think I'll do something less frustrating like read uncommented
Assembly code :-).

Thanx
        Eric Hohnbaum

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